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 Hi All,


This is my first posting here. I am fascinated by the many posts here, and and reading my way through, post by post.


I am fascinated that Ray Monnette has posted here. 


I met Mr. Monnette in 1992, in Galion, Ohio, when the configuration of Rare Earth at that time played at the "Oktoberfest".


I was also fortunate enough to have had a very nice chat with the late Eddie Guzman, at that time.  I was also VERY fortunate to have gotten the autographs of Ray, Eddie and Gil, on the 8x10 glossy they were giving away.


I have been a devoted fan since Rare Earth made the charts in 1969, with "Get Ready".


My first question, since it has been on my mind over the years--  why in later years, did Mr. Rivera's last name change from "Rivera" to "Hoorelbeke", then change back to "Rivera"?


I hope I am not being nosey with this question.


 Thanks so much. I hope to be able to correpond with many of you.


Sincerely,


 Steve


 



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Hi Steve


Welcome to the forum! You are quite correct. Peter Rivera and Peter Hoorelbeke are one and the same. I think it confused a lot of us back in the early 70s. His real name is Hoorelbeke, which is of Belgian origin asccording to Ralph Terrana. He then changed it to Rivera, then back to Hoorelbeke and now seems to be Peter Rivera again. My memory is hazy but he chose the name "Rivera" from a relative I think.


Peter has his own website which you should visit sometime. Also, his book titled Born to Wander is well worth getting hold of.



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Steve


As to "why" he reverted back to Rivera, I'm not sure, but I presume it co-incided with him forming the Classic Rock All Stars (or whatever his post Rare Earth band is called). I expect more people would have recognised the name Rivera than Hoorelbeke.



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 Hi UK Dave,


 


 I cannot thank you enough fopr explaining this to me.


 


 The ''mystery''  that has bugged me for so many years, is finally solved! Thank you VERY much!


  Mr. Rivera was *the* drummer who had my undivided attention as a drummer, when I was 14.  All I wanted was to be as fast as he was.  I'd never heard anyone at that time play double bass, and, his double bass playing just blew EVERYONE away, not to mention his fast hands. I truly believe he was one of the earliest drummers to use double bass in rock ( if not one of the first-period). 


 He inpsired so many drummers/singers.  Remember how all those 70's rock groups all of a sudden started coming out with drummer-lead singers?  Phil Collins is probably the one and only famous drummer/ lead singers besides Mr. Rivera. 


 I think we can honestly say that Peter Rivera , and Rare Earth opened a *lot* of doors in the world of music, and beyond!


I will have to try to find Mr. Rivera's book.   I would love to get a copy, and read about the life of the drummer who started it all for me!  Thank you for sharing the info about the book.


 


 Thanks so very much, Dave


Warmest regards,


 Steve Barber


 



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Steve


Here is the place to get Pete's book, direct from the man himself. You will love it.  The Peter Hoorelbeke name was being used around 1990 as he recorded the two tracks "Standing In The Rain" and "Talk To The World" .  Now hopefully we can look forward to hearing the new material Ralph has been telling us about from Pete.


http://www.peterrivera.com/book.html


Born to Wander - Front



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Ralph Terrana
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Also consider that in the early days of The Sunliners it was fasionable to have some sort of " stage name ". Hoorelbeke didn't cut it in 1960 so Pete took the name of his cousin's husband. Russ and I used the last name " Terry ". Fred Kotenko became Fred Saxon and John Persh morphed into John Parrish. ( I seem to remember I laid that one on him. As time went on it was becoming acceptable to use one's own surname no matter how un-Hollywood it might sound and Pete went back to Hoorelbeke. I suppose he reverted back to Rivera simply because he was more well known with that name, although I never asked him about this so I'm only surmising.

Yes, by all means get a copy of Pete's book. I think it is a great read.

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Hi Ralph


So John's real name was actually Persh? I'd always assumed his real name was Parrish and he'd changed it to Persh. It just goes to show there's always something new to learn here.



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Persh it was Dave.

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And you may already know that when Fred, Russ and I were looking to expand The Sunliners we went to John first. He lacked confidence in himself as a musician at that time and suggested we talk with Gil Bridges. John would eventually join the band a few years later.

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All,


 thanks for all you have posted in t reference to my question about Pete, and the link to the book.  I am unemployed right now, but as soon as I am back on my fet, I will get a copy.


  I would like to ask a couple more quick questions if I may;


 What did John Persh pass away from, and how long ago?  Why did he leave Rare Earth, when he did?  I thought his bass playing was far superior to Mike Urso. I like "Any Man Can be a Fool", very, very much. I always teared up when he sang about his mother passing in the song.  Depending on what frame of mind I am in, I still do, to this day.  


 Also, wonder why the bass guitar track was tampered with in "Fresh from the can", and not the original as it was when it was originally titled  "Thoughts"?   Also, why did they change the title?


 


 Sorry to ask so many at once. Thanks again,


Steve



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Steve


I've never sat down and compared Thoughts with Fresh From The Can, but I suspect it wasn't so much tampering with the track but more a case of it evolving between the timing of the two recordings. Judging by your comments on this, plus Magic Key, Born to Wander etc, you have a very keen ear and a wide knowledge of all the different versions of RE songs.


I will say that my introduction to Rare Earth happened when I saw a copy of the Get Ready single in a bargain bin in the Republic of Ireland where I was holidaying, Being a Motown fan, Rare Earth was a new name to me, so I bought it out of curiosity. On returning home, I thought the A side was a good cover version of the Temptations hit, but it was the B side, Magic Key, which made its mark on me. Why? Because of Pete Rivera's drumming. That snare drum sound had me hooked. Pete Rivera / Hoorelbeke was (and is) a great drummer without question.


I bought the Get Ready album on the strength of Magic Key. Once I heard the full length version of Get Ready, that was it. They were instantly the best group in the world as far as I was concerned.



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Steve,
John was a homebody at heart and a happily married man to his high school sweetheart, Diane. He simply got tired of touring and wanted to be at home with his famiy. He left the group and he and Diane opened a very nice home improvement store. Around 1980 he had some sort of surgery and infection set in and he died. I got the news one morning from Fred SaXON.

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Regarding John Persh, why did he leave? Well, its all been discussed here and in Pete's book. Motown moved from Detroit to LA and John chose not to make the move, plus a degree of disatisfaction over the departure of Kenny James maybe? That's my take anyway.


He formed Pywackett with Kenny James (aka Folcik) after leaving Rare Earth. Again, it is worth looking at some recent posts on the forum. From what I recall, John died suddenly and unexpectedly after going into hospital for a routine operation.


There are three people here, one in particular, who are better qualified to answer questions regarding John.


Its good to see another post that picks out JP's Any Man Can Be A Fool as being one of the highlights from the excellent One World album.


Personally I'd love to see some footage of John Persh on Youtube but so far I've only seen Mike Urso and Reggie McBride on bass.



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There you go Steve


Ralph is one of the three better informed people I mentioned. He can type quicker than me



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Dave and Ralph,


Wow! You guys are too much!  It is fantastic to actually get the chance to talk with people about one of the greatest rock groups of all time. Ralph( if I may), I have seen your last name on Rare Earth albums,which blows me away!


 I can't thank you enough for the info. on John Persh. I was trying to sift through as many posts as I could to see if maybe someone had addressed this, but didnt see it ( probably going too fast). At least now I know, thanks to you guys.


It saddens me deeply to hear the details about Mr. Persh's death.  It is nice to know that he wanted to settle down and be a family man, but, at the same time, the world lost a great man when he retired, then passed away.


 Just talking about this prompted me to pull out my home made CD of "One World", which I copied to my computer from the LP. I went straight to "Any Man can be a fool".  I didnt realize how much I truly love that song.


 Ralph, you mentioned John forming a band called "Pywackett".  I recall just a year, or so, ago, reading something about them releasing one 45, or something like that.  I forget now where I read this.  There were/are even photos of the record label, I think. 


Man!! Ray Monnette had some fantastic solos on "ONE WORLD" album.  I forgot how great his solos are in both "The Seed" and "Under God's Light".  I played the tunes over and over again. I can't stop listening to his solo in "Under God's Light".  It's like hearing it for the first time, again. I keep backing it up, and playing it again, and again! 


 In response to your point about my listening closely to Rare Earth tunes, Dave... if you could only know how fanatical I was as a kid over this band and its members.  I was trying to emulate Pete both as a drummer and singer.  I thought the sun set on him--and Rare Earth.  I had my drums set up at the time, just like his, from having seen them on "Ed Sullivan".  Tuned them the way his sounded on Ecology, etc.  


When I was in my first band, called "Ecology" ( guess where we came up with *that* name?) we did "What'd I say, and "If I die".  Trouble is, we had no keyboards! LOL! It was quite empty.  But, I sang lead vocals (barf city)(actually have some super 8 film somewhere of us playing--with no sound, though). I had the word "Ecology" on my bass drum head, too. LOL!


 Anyway, as soon as I heard the bass playing in "Fresh from the can", which is basically the original recording as "Thoughts", I noticed that it sounds like the bass track was replaced by Mike Urso( I can tell by the buzzing sounds he was known for, on the fret board), and, I think it takes way from the original.  


There is also a note that Gil hits on the sax, that although it is in "Fresh from the Can", it isn't as audible.   I always loved the sound of that one note Gil hits, as the tune progresses at that point. If you are wondering where this is in the tune, it is where they change from the fast  tempo and move into the slower tempo. 


  Here is a little trick you might want to try, with the conclusion of " I know I'm losing you" on Rare Earth in Concert".


At the conclusion of the song, where you hear what sounds like the audience saying "More!, more! more! more! play it until it fades out, then, play it backwards from where it fades out, onward.  As you are playing it backwards you will hear someone say "Thank you!", as well as realizing that you were actually hearing the audience yelling "More! more! more! more...!  backwards. 


Another tid bit is that same section of the backwards "thank You!" and the audience sounds is used as audience sounds throughout the LP, except for "Get Ready".  I would imagine the producer wanted to add the effect of more audience sounds, (which MANY bands did) but, that is the ''audience'' one hears all through "Thoughts" which means that it was done in the studio, not on a live ''stage".


If you were to play "Thoughts" backwards, you will hear the same  audience screams of " More! more!more! more...! and the "Thank You", over and over again.


 


 I guess as a kid, I had too much time on my hands, living in a rural area, with not much to do. 


 I have made a name for myself, though, deciphering faint speech, etc. and helped a panel of the National Academy of Sciences, 1980-1982, then again 2001-2005 using my ears. This spring (around May), you can read about this in the book Vincent Bugliosi (who prosecuted Charles Manson) will have published. 


  Thanks again Dave and Ralph.


  Sincerely,


  Steve


 



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Fascinating comments Steve.


So a lot of the applause on "In Concert" is overdubbed to heighten the atmosphere? I suppose most live albums were subjected to overdubs here and there, especially bands playing lengthy jams. I never quite felt that Thoughts fitted in with the other songs on the album. It seems to fade in and fade out in places so I often wondered if it had been cut and edited. Also, the closing track "Nice to be with you" has a fitting lyric, but it would have sounded a whole lot better if it had been recorded live like the other tracks. In Concert still ranks as my all time favourite live album, closely followed by Made in Japan by Deep Purple and, for a few songs at least, Grand Funk's Caught in the Act.


If its not a silly question Steve, what on earth made you play In Concert backwards in the first place? When I used to want to replay the vinyl I used to lift the arm and set it down at the beginning again, rather than playing it backwards to the beginning. Only joking. I know a lot of people were discovering hidden messages etc on Beatles albums at the time, so I expect we all tried rewinding at one time or another.


It sounds like your talents at deciphering speech have been put to good use elsewhere so it was not time wasted! 



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YOU GUYS PRETTY MUCH GOT IT RIGHT ABOUT JOHN. HE WENT IN FOR A ROUTINE OPERATION,CAUGHT A HOSPITAL VIRUS,AND DIED.WHAT A TRAGEDY!! FROM MY MEMORY,THE MAIN REASON JOHN LEFT THE BAND WAS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE MICHIGAN.LOOKING BACK ON IT ALL NOW,HE WAS RIGHT.THE MOVE TO L.A. WAS THE MAIN THING THAT BROKE UP THE BAND IN 1974.


I'LL NEVER FORGET WHAT MAUREEN DONALDSON TOLD ME BEFORE WE MOVED TO L.A.SHE WAS LIVING THERE,AND WORKED FOR TEEN MAGAZINE.SHE TOLD ME THAT EVERY BAND THAT MOVED TO L.A. BROKE UP WITHIN A FEW YEARS.SHE ACTUALLY SAID TO STAY IN DETROIT!! TOO MANY DISTRACTIONS IN L.A. AND PEOPLE START GOING DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.BOY.....WAS SHE RIGHT. 


ON THE SUBJECT OF "THOUGHTS". WE WENT IN THE STUDIO ONE NIGHT,AND WE DECIDED TO TRY IMPROV.THAT WAS A MAGIC NIGHT.WHAT YOU HEAR WAS DONE WITH NO IDEA,OR PREPARATION AT ALL.IT JUST HAPPENED.WE RECORDED THAT MUSIC FOR ABOUT AN HOUR.IT WAS EDITED DOWN FOR "THOUGHTS",AND "FRESH FROM THE CAN".


AT THAT POINT,WE WERE TOTALLY IN TUNE WITH EACH OTHER,AND ON THE SAME PAGE.I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE OR SINCE.


RAY



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I ALMOST FORGOT,


"NICE TO BE WITH YOU" WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.WE HAD ALL THE LIVE RECORDING DONE AND WANTED A SONG TO SUM UP HOW WE FELT ABOUT THE FANS,AND TO SAY THANKS.


RAY



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If I'm typing faster than you, you must be going at it with one finger. I'm a two fingered hunt and pecker.

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Ooooops...sorry... The above is in response to UK Dave's comment on typing.

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One finger? I hate to admit this Ralph, but you are right. It's a pretty fast finger though.


So you are a two finger hunt and pecker? That book must have taken a few years to write


Talking of which, I've not received it yet, but I'm really looking forward to reading it.



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Yeah dave, but I can move with these two fingers. Actually, I did the book in just under a year. My publisher tells me the average book is around 40,000 words. I clocked in at about 125,000 so I guess my two little fingers were burning up the keyboard.

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Ray


When Motown and RE moved to LA, what happened with your ex-colleagues at Invictus / Hot Wax? Did the Holland-Dozier-Holland camp follow suit or was it about the time that their rival corporation was starting to wind down?


What became of Hitsville in recent years? Did I hear its no longer standing?



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Dave,
Hitsville still stands as a museum. What came down was the Donavan Building.

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I AM NOT BRAGGING BUT I GOT TO SEE JOHN PLAY BASS LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE WHEN WE WERE TREATED TO AN OUTDOOR SHOW....AROUND 1971.......I WAS YOUNG AT THE TIME BUT WAS VERY FOCUSED ON THE BAND AS WELL AS FANS....THEY (THE FANS) JUST WENT NUTS WHEN THE BAND WAS ON STAGE........I CAN'T REMEMBER IF RAY WAS THERE....I THINK IT WAS RODI DO REMEMBER THE BASS SOLO IN GET READY AND JOHN WAS WEARING A HAWAIIAN TYPE OF SHIRT AND JAMMING OUT THE SOLO..WOW!!....I REMEMBER PETE CAME OUT FROM THE DRUMS(BEFORE THE DRUM SOLO) AND SANG IN FRONT OF THE CROWD THEN WENT BACKTO HIS DRUMS WHEN THE VOCAL PART WAS DONE( I SAW A MAN SNEAKING IN BEHIND PETE WHEN PETE WENT UP TO THE FRONT...I THINK IT WAS EDDIE BUT THEN AGAIN MAYBE IT WAS NOT)..... I THINKING NOW THIS WAS THE LAST TIME JOHN WAS WITH THE BAND.........THIS WAS EARLY SUMMER OF THAT YEAR....


THANKS DAVE,RALPH,RAY,STEVE FOR YOUR COMMENTS....


MDF



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Two Fingers Terrana sounds like a blues player

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Maybe so Tony but I've been known to use up to THREE fingers for playing Blues.

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UK Dave wrote:


Fascinating comments Steve.


So a lot of the applause on "In Concert" is overdubbed to heighten the atmosphere? I suppose most live albums were subjected to overdubs here and there, especially bands playing lengthy jams. I never quite felt that Thoughts fitted in with the other songs on the album. It seems to fade in and fade out in places so I often wondered if it had been cut and edited. Also, the closing track "Nice to be with you" has a fitting lyric, but it would have sounded a whole lot better if it had been recorded live like the other tracks. In Concert still ranks as my all time favourite live album, closely followed by Made in Japan by Deep Purple and, for a few songs at least, Grand Funk's Caught in the Act.


If its not a silly question Steve, what on earth made you play In Concert backwards in the first place? When I used to want to replay the vinyl I used to lift the arm and set it down at the beginning again, rather than playing it backwards to the beginning. Only joking. I know a lot of people were discovering hidden messages etc on Beatles albums at the time, so I expect we all tried rewinding at one time or another.


It sounds like your talents at deciphering speech have been put to good use elsewhere so it was not time wasted! 




   Hi Dave,


     Thanks, and sorry to have taken so long to reply...


  Yes, I dont think there is a live album out there that doesn't have added audience sounds.   It isnt anything sinister, I don't think, it just adds to the atomsphere. 


 In the case of Grand Funk Railroad's "Live" album, of 1971 or 72, though, they misled, because they state on the cover, on the back, that it is an actual recording of the hsitorical event as it happened, no editing etc., or words to that effect, and that is simply NOT true. 


 I agree that ''Rare Earth In Concert'' is one of the top live albums.  Many people not only love the album, but  also thought that the back pack jacket was really cool. 


I was so impressed with that pull out poster that one day, I was re arranging the album sleeves, so as not to tear them, and I looked into the jacket, and saw that on one side of the inside seams, there was a portion of the poster that was pressed between those seams that belonged on the poster. I carefully separated  jacket seam so as to remove the part of the poster that was stuck between the seams, and then taped it onto the poster itself.  I didn't want to miss a thing!  If you still have your album. look insode.  If you notice a black like line running vertically down one of the inside seams, that's the portion of the poster that didn't come out. LOL!  It's only about an 1/8 or 1/16  wide strip.   I was greedy.  I wanted everything I could get my hands on.


 What made me play that final section of " I Know I'm losing you" backwards was I had learned that little trick from listening to Hendrix tunes.  I wanted to know what was going on in the tune " Are you Experirnced", and could tell that that was backwards cymbal playing at the opening, and backwrds drumming in the middle section.  That was my first tatse of that stuff.


Something about the way the sounds made as the audience is applauding at the end of "losing you" caught my attention, and being a ''sucker'' for detail, I just did it. Then, of course, being a kid, I listened for those things on every album by every group I bought.


 Some interesting trivia things on the ''In Concert" album I found.( and maybe Mr. Monnette can chime in here, and tell us who said what) :^>


  During the opening of "Hey Big Brother", where Pete is talking, at one point, Pete says " ...we don't want anybody to... fry in that", someone says "Hey", then a few seconds later, the same person says: " We can still get into it". Is this Mark or you, Ray? 


Also, in the same track, after Pete starts playing on the high hats, starting the song, it sounds like someone says  "Wait a minute, man!"   After that, Pete says " A little walking music back to uh..."  is that the voice of John Persh saying " A little clapping music, too!" ?


 In the tune " Get Ready", when Gil is talking, and says " Let's see if we can all get into about 20 or 30 minutes of Get Ready" as the audience goes nuts, you can hear someone in the band say "I don't believe it".  Obviously blown away by the reaction of that dedicated crowd.


  I had that album memorized, obviously.  Like I said, I wore it out!


 Steve


 


   



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RAY MONETTE wrote:


I ALMOST FORGOT,


"NICE TO BE WITH YOU" WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.WE HAD ALL THE LIVE RECORDING DONE AND WANTED A SONG TO SUM UP HOW WE FELT ABOUT THE FANS,AND TO SAY THANKS.


RAY




 


         Thanks for this, Ray. 


      I always thought it was such a nice, added touch to the album. You guys had great harmonies.  


If you don't mind my asking, which person is you singing, during the section where it sounds like everyone had a turn at saying " Nice to be with you" , holding the note in the word "You"?


Were you singing back up at that point?  I think I read where you wanted to concentrate more on playing than singing, so wasn't sure.


Thanks again,


Steve


 



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I AM NOT BRAGGING BUT I GOT TO SEE JOHN PLAY BASS LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE WHEN WE WERE TREATED TO AN OUTDOOR SHOW....AROUND 1971.......I WAS YOUNG AT THE TIME BUT WAS VERY FOCUSED ON THE BAND AS WELL AS FANS....THEY (THE FANS) JUST WENT NUTS WHEN THE BAND WAS ON STAGE........I CAN'T REMEMBER IF RAY WAS THERE....I THINK IT WAS RODI DO REMEMBER THE BASS SOLO IN GET READY AND JOHN WAS WEARING A HAWAIIAN TYPE OF SHIRT AND JAMMING OUT THE SOLO..WOW!!....I REMEMBER PETE CAME OUT FROM THE DRUMS(BEFORE THE DRUM SOLO) AND SANG IN FRONT OF THE CROWD THEN WENT BACKTO HIS DRUMS WHEN THE VOCAL PART WAS DONE( I SAW A MAN SNEAKING IN BEHIND PETE WHEN PETE WENT UP TO THE FRONT...I THINK IT WAS EDDIE BUT THEN AGAIN MAYBE IT WAS NOT)..... I THINKING NOW THIS WAS THE LAST TIME JOHN WAS WITH THE BAND.........THIS WAS EARLY SUMMER OF THAT YEAR....


THANKS DAVE,RALPH,RAY,STEVE FOR YOUR COMMENTS....


MDF




  Hi MDF,


It sounds like you saw them after Ray and Mark joined.


 Pete did the coming out to sing at the audience in " I just want to Celebrate", and Eddie would get behind the drums.  I remember he did this on " In Concert", and he was letting people sing into the mic. It was so funny, because some of the people were flat! LOL!


You must have been in that crowd on the "Rare Earth in Concert" album  I swear, but could be wrong, that Jacksonville Fla. is one of the places the recordings on that album orginated from.


Anyway, you are very fortunate to have gotten to see the when John was with them. 


 


Thanks!


 Steve



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HELLO AGAIN STEVE!


WHAT I CAN REMEMBER IS THE CONCERT WAS AN OUTDOOR EVENT.....AND I THINK THREE DOG NIGHT OR STEELY DAN WAS ON THE BILL TOO.....MY FAMILY WAS ON VACATION AT THE TIME AND WITH R.E. BEING A HOUSE HOLD NAME AT THE TIME THEY DECIDED TO SEE A GREAT CONCERT....I REMEMBER MY EARS RUNG FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTERWARD!! THERE WERE SO MANY,MANY PEOPLE THERE.....MY MOTHER TOLD ME THAT MY DAD WENT TO THE VENUE A DAY OR SO BEFORE AND STOOD IN LINE FOR HOURS WHILE THE REST OF US STAYED AT A MOTEL.......PERSONLLY I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE ON THE ALBUM.....


KEEP ROCKIN...MDF



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Steve


Here in the UK we didn't get a poster with the "In Concert" album. Thats presuming the record store people didn't pinch it of course. (Richard might be able to verify if I'm right?) So, we had no pictures and this was where. like you, I first got confused over the Rivera / Hoorelbeke issue till the vocal style convinced me it was the same guy.


I also know those bits of talking on the opening to "Get Ready" and "Hey Big Brother" that you mention off by heart. I never picked up that Eddie takes over on drums while Peter goes out to the crowd on "Get Ready". Where does that happen in the song timewise? I'm now wondering if Mark plays any sax on "In Concert"?


I was just talking to a guy in the US by email. We are fellow fans of 70s rockers "Argent". He sent me a list of concerts he'd attended over the years. In the list was Rare Earth in 1982. Naturally I asked him for his views. Here is his reply:


Re: Rare Earth. My wife won tickets to see them in 1982, I guess shortly after their reunion after a long split. I didn't expect much, but was completely blown away by them. The songs were great, the jams were hot and
the whole experience was wonderful. It was held in a large club, so there was a special vibe in the place and it was just amazing.


It backs up everything I've ever seen on here.


 


 



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STEVE,

I CAN'T TELL YOU WHO SAID WHAT ON THE IN CONCERT ALBUM.THE MAIN THING I REMEMBER ABOUT THAT SEGMENT IS THAT WE WERE ON A BARGE OUT IN THE WATER,AND BOATS WERE ALL AROUND IT.MOST OF THE PEOPLE WERE IN THE STANDS ON SHORE.ALL OF THE POWER CABLES WERE COMING FROM THE SHORE THROUGH THE WATER TO THE BARGE.FOLKS WERE IN THE WATER,AND THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THEM BEING ELECTROCUTED.THAT'S WHY THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE TO GET OUT OF THE WATER.

AS FAR AS "NICE TO BE WITH YOU" IS CONCERNED,WE GANG SANG THOSE BACKROUND PARTS,AND EVEN DOUBLED THEM.I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHICH ONE WAS ME.


DAVE,

H.D.H. CARRIED ON AFTER I JOINED RARE EARTH IN 71.I BELIEVE THEY WENT ON UNTIL ABOUT 1975. I HOOKED UP WITH JEFFREY BOWEN WHO WORKED WITH THEM,MANY YEARS LATER IN L.A. HE WAS PRODUCING SOME SONGS FOR SMOKEY ROBINSON,AND ASKED ME TO DO SOME ACOUSTIC,AND ELECTRIC OVERDUBS ON THE ALBUM. I THINK THE ALBUM WAS CALLED "DEEP IN MY SOUL". I KNOW IT WAS AFTER THE BAND BROKE UP IN 1974.

RAY

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 Hi Ray,

 Thanks so much for the very informative reply.

  Really interesting piece of info on your whereabouts during the tune " Hey Big Brother"!  I think I would have been a little worried, being surrounded by all that water, and cables running through it to your amps, P.A. etc. 

  This is off topic, Ray...

 Are you at all familiar with the animator in the Detroit area, Dale Myers, who appeared on the ABC 2003 special, " Beyond Conspiracy"?  He did an animation of the 1963 Kennedy assassination, proving the Lee Oswald killed JFK.   He won an Emmy for this. 

 Just curious.

Thanks,
 Steve


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Hello everyone, 

I had the chance to see and meet Pete Hoorelbeke in Salt Lake City, Utah. I had just recently found their first album [preceeding Get Ready] which listed the members. The album said Pete Rivera on drums. I had known Pete's name from the Willie Remembers album which was listed as Pete Hoorelbeke on drums. I looked at pictures of him on all my albums and it had to be the same person. Many of the albums didn't list musicians so the only one I had ever known was the Willie Remembers list and the Last name Hoorelbeke. I was confused but the voice was the same and the person was the same. I had the chance to ask him this question. He said growing up he idolized a peer named Pete Rivera and he began to be called "little Pete Rivera". The name stuck with him in becoming a musician [probably being a good stage name]. He then went back to his real name because it is his name and I guess changed back to Rivera because he used both.
I hope this ends some confusion.

Tom

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Tom,
Hmmmmm. I'm not so sure about the "little Pete Rivera" story. At least I never heard anything like that and I was hanging with the guy for a good many years. Besides, I don't think "little" would have been a word associated with Pete in those days.

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Pete had a cousin through marriage named Rick Rivera, a former baseball player that came close to hitting the major leagues. He was a good looking, very cool guy that we guys liked a lot. That is where the Rivera name came from.

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Ralph !!!   You are correct sir.....  Rivera was just a stage name ie: much easier than Hoorelbeke

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Peter Rivera
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BTW. What is the purpose of typing in the numbers to post....  

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Peter, if you are referring to the security function, it is to prevent advertising POTS (Computer programs) from automatically logging into this website and creating ADVERTISEMENTS and ANNOYING POSTS of that nature. Helps keep all these posts comming from real people and not from computer generated garbage. Computer programs can not read those numbers and letters in that box which would be required in order to post.



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OOPS ....... that's supposed to read ADVERTISING BOTS not POTS .....sorry for the typo.

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Thanks: See I learn something everyday.....  

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Ralph Terrana wrote:

Tom,
Hmmmmm. I'm not so sure about the "little Pete Rivera" story. At least I never heard anything like that and I was hanging with the guy for a good many years. Besides, I don't think "little" would have been a word associated with Pete in those days.


Get the tin helmet out Peter, I sense a burger eating competition story could be about to re-surface!smile

 



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Ya Pete,  CHEESEBURGER!, CHEESEBURGER! CHEESEBURGER!

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Ok. Since I am fairly new to these posts ......... the curiosity is killing me ........I gotta ask ........... What's the story with the Cheeburgers?

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Oh my gosh!! I was so dreading somebody asking this questionsmile

Lets just say that in his youth Peter enjoyed the odd cheeseburger or three and once got into a competition with a friend to see how many he could eat in one go. Peter won the competition with a truly heroic performance. Did he eat 5? no, 10? no, 15no, 20no, 25no...more than 25? doh, Keep counting!!

When this story ran before, we gave Peter a bit of stick, but true sport that he is, he took it on the chin. I'm not sure we'd get away with it twice. The answer lies in another thread.

Anyway, haven't we all done similar things in our youth? I remember school lunch one day when they cooked too many sausages and I challenged a friend to an eating competition. I managed an impressive 21, but then again they were only small ones. I might have managed more if the headmaster hadn't caught us.



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Dave,
There was no competition involved. It was simply a case of Pete being Pete in those days. He was a big boy with an even bigger appetite. I suppose I shouldn't even mention the 17 or so odd steaks that he and Babbitt polished off at a party thrown for the bands playing at Somers Point New Jersey clubs bacxk in 1964.

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Hi Ralph

No competition? I'm not surprised!!smile

I didn't realise you all knew Bob Babbitt as far back as 64. I don't really know much about Bob at all, other than him being a Funk Brother. Maybe its time I re-read your book?



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Hey Ralph....  thanks for giving up all my secrets....  You forgot about the 21 ears of corn at the fair.....  

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I'm luaghing Pete. I never knew about this one.

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Richard
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Ralph and Peter,  what stories you guys tell, you should consider writing books lol......

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To anonomous:
We knew Babbitt for quite a while. All of us were playing clubs in Detroit, and although the competeion between bands was intense, we were good friends with each other.

Write books huh? Hey, maybe Pete and I should kick that one around.

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Now that might be an idea.......

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Pete,


I expect we'll see you in next year's hot dog eating contest at Coney Island. biggrin

Just kidding.



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Hi Ralph

Thanks for answering the Babbitt question. It was me who posted anonymously....purely accidental.

Going back to those early days in Detroit, were Flaming Ember (Hot Wax) one of those bands? Were they from that area?

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Dave,
Flaming Ember came along a few years after all of us, but they were part of the Detroit music scene.

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Hi Steve,

I know its been awhile since you did that post mentioning the Grand Funk Live album.

I just wanted to say that your correct.  The picture on that album cover was taken at the 1969 Atlanta pop fest, July 4.  Grand Funk were invited there at the last minute just to fill the bill.  They were the opening act and ended up blowin the place away.  What is heard on the live album are recordings from various live venues, mostly in Florida that were recorded on the 1970 tour.  I believe the album was realeased in Nov of 1970

Jim

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Peter CANNOT use MY bathroom..............................

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Pete,
Just arrived home to New York after a week in Michigan. All I listened to for tunes were your contributions. I've put a bug in the guys ears about performing covers for Get Ready & Celebrate. I have been a fan of yours since 1969. A drummer/percussionist myself, I'm there !
I thank you,
DJ 

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No. I thank you.Peter



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I remember all of you playing at the Dells in Lake Lansing, I was there every weekend with my mom everyone called her granny real name was Doris, she was the bartender there, I always sat at the table next to the band and you guys were always buying me cokes, I was too young to drink at that time, those were great days Cheryl Campbell (Root)

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John actually, didn't go to L.A. because he and Diane were having my best friend Jen.  He wanted to be at home when she was born and died when she was 11 months old.  Diane is doing well now and Jen has two degrees from the University that she was able to attend because of the many royalties that come from John work.

 



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I remember Pete telling me the excited phone call he received from John when Jennifer was born, telling Pete, "We have a Jennifer".



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Didn't the band move to LA in 1972 for the recording of the the Willie Remembers LP? I read John P didn't make the move with the rest of the band because he just bought a new home and was start a new family

During a live FM radio broadcast from a show at Harpos in Detroit eight years later in 1980 Pete gave a shout out John and Diane and congratulated them on the birth of their new baby daughter Jenifer. 



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I remember Maureen Donaldson did a great, in-depth article on Rare Earth. This was abt the only article I ever found on the band. "Rare Earth cause music quake." And she mentioned each band member, & commented that John didn't seem as intensely involved in music as the others.



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Gina wrote:

I remember Maureen Donaldson did a great, in-depth article on Rare Earth. This was abt the only article I ever found on the band. "Rare Earth cause music quake." And she mentioned each band member, & commented that John didn't seem as intensely involved in music as the others.

 The band did get an article once in Rolling Stone...Strangers On A Strange label. I have that article in storage...from the period of "Ma" in '73.



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There is a good piece in an issue of Blues And Soul too



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i email with gil from time to time and have asked many questions about why this and why that and gil has always been nice enough to answer 

 

so for the two different last names i was informed that the record label did that and the band had no control over it 



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If anyone is still reading, the concert in 1972 in College Station, TX? I met Pete in 1997 and he said he didn't remember it. It's an amazing story.



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