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Unfortunately it appears that there are no plans for Motown/Universal to reissue any of Rare Earth's catalog. In the 1986 Get Ready and Ecology were issued on cd. In 1989, In Concert was issued on cd (but in order to fit it on one cd, the applause and fade in's were shoertened). In 1991 Greatest Hits and Rare Classics was issued. In 1994, we got Earth Tones and Ma. In 1995 we got the Anthology. 1998 saw The Very Best Of...the only worthwhile song was a slightly lover version of Chained. All of these are essential IMO. Sure, you can find them online from sellers but the prices are much more than I ever paid. I think they are all out of print now.

It's frustrating for those who don't have those cd's as well as the proper albums that never have hit cd legitimately (Dreams/Answers, One World, Willie Remembers, Back To Earth, Midnight Lady, RareEarth, Band Together, Grand Slam and Tight & Hot)...then there's the so-called unreleased but few vinyl copies of "Generation" soundtrack and Live In Chicago that somewhow made their way into the real world. 

Ok, here's my point...as I got a brand new turntable (Technics), diamond tip needle (my dad used them in the early 70's when teeth fillings were comparable in price) and my old sony tube receiver  (all wood on the outside...it has a warm sound that a current receiver will not transmit). Together, this accounts for a fantastic, warm and analogous sound. smile My plan is to transfer the entire Rare Earth catalog from vinyl to cd. This means all LP's will be on cd, along with the single mixes of songs, b-sides and such. And if I can get accesss to a big enough scanner, ALL artwork too. There are a FEW things I don't have which will require help from you guys. And this would be something that would be shared amongst fans. I will say that I have heard (from a fellow audiophile) those "unoffical" 2-fer cd's...they are horrid. My vinyl copies sound cleaner. I could easily do better. And being an audiophile, I like to retain the feel of vinyl. I use very little EQ...only when necesaary. Naturally, any "pops" I remove. But I don't remove the hiss...trust me, it squashes and ruins the sonics. This is a labor of love for me. Some of you might be thinking: is this legal. Yes, it is...I'm not doing this for monetary gain. It's being shared only. Within the next few weeks, I hope to be getting underway with this project. Here are 4 things I do not have on vinyl and these will be a big help if one of you has these and is willing to share for the sake of sharing:

1. the 45 version of Magic Key (I MAY have this...I'll have to check!)
2. the Generation soundtrack (anyone here have a copy)
3. Live In Chicago (please, if someone here has a copy...well, you know...we'd all be very very very very grateful) 
4. Tight & Hot (same as above)

Ok, so 2, 3 & 4 might be difficult to come across...especailyl 3 and 4...but this is for the benefit of us fans. And until Motown issues the full catalog on cd...this would be the next best way to have the entire catalog at our disposal. By the way, I came across something very interesting I forgot about...there are 2 different mixes of the studio version of Hey, Big Brother.

What do ya say!? Anyone willing to help me...confused



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Mike
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Ok, maybe this wasn't a hot idea. confused

I just thought it was worth doing to put it all on cd to share with fellow fans. If there's not enough interest, I doubt I'll go through with it. It's just a shame that Motown has hardly any Rare Earth in print on cd.



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Mike

No , it was a great idea. I think the forum is just a bit quiet at present. I wish I could help with the "Tight and Hot" and "Live In Chicago" albums but they seem to be as rare as rocking horse dung.

Magic Key was only a "B" side in the UK. I'm pretty sure its the same version as the one featured on the Get Ready album, so again, not much use.

I hope you get some positive responses to this in the near future.


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UK Dave wrote:

Mike

No , it was a great idea. I think the forum is just a bit quiet at present. I wish I could help with the "Tight and Hot" and "Live In Chicago" albums but they seem to be as rare as rocking horse dung.

Magic Key was only a "B" side in the UK. I'm pretty sure its the same version as the one featured on the Get Ready album, so again, not much use.

I hope you get some positive responses to this in the near future.



Thanks Dave :)

Maybe I just too anxious in expecting responses sometimes.

I still plan on doing this. I have (fingers crossed) located a copy of Live In Chicago. The person has to dig thru his collection for it but he says he has it. Fingers crossed. smile




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john
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Hi Dave

Get your Get Ready Lp out and play Magic Key

Then

Put the 'B' Side of Magic Key on

Theres something extra put in to the b side and it took me 30 years to realise

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mike
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john wrote:

Hi Dave

Get your Get Ready Lp out and play Magic Key

Then

Put the 'B' Side of Magic Key on

Theres something extra put in to the b side and it took me 30 years to realise



I have heard that there's a difference. I never noticed it before. I have dug up all of my R.E. vinyl and I will give this one a spin to see where the differences are on the b-side.


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Mike
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Indeed the b-side Magic Key is different.

I also have found the 45 version of Get Ready without the canned applause biggrin

In a week or two I'll be doing the transfers.

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Mike
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Folks...after some long, hard thinking...I decided to forward with this. At first I thought it was a good idea. Then after hardly any responses, I debated it. I just got an email from Jocko who really changed my mind on this. I've dug through my entire collection and I've located pretty much the entire Rare Earth catalog...LP's, b-sides and all...EXCEPT for: Generation, Live In Chicago & Tight and Hot. I am still looking got b-side mix of Magic Key. I know I have it somwehere. I even located the 45 version of Get Ready without the canned applause! biggrin
I've gone through and painstakingly cleaned each 45 and LP. In many cases, these greatly improved the sound. So, the few vinyl transfers I did I scrapped. I knew they could sound better.

I think what I'll do is put every LP on a cd by itself. I'll put together a cd by itself of strictly the single mixes/edits/b-sides...might be a 2 cd set. Or maybe put the  single mixes/edits/b-sides on the cd with the corresponding LP.

As of now, I'm on a trading hiatus. I've been trading cd's non-stop for almost 4 years...many great bands and shows. I need a good month break. And I will be going back and transferring everything I have. This will take some time. Bear with me. Once done, you'll know and be among those shared with...if you want it. Hey, if Universal isn't going to put it out on cd...I'll do it myself and trade it and share it. Keep your fingers crossed I can locate eneration, Live In Chicago & Tight and Hot. Say a prayer or what not. This is for us fans.

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UK Dave
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That's great Mike. I really hope someone comes up with those three missing albums. I'll keep everything crossed!!

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Mike
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All is coming along nicely. I'm done up thru Willie Remembers.

If I can snag the HUB stuff...I'll add it to the project.



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Mike,
Keep up the good work.  I'll be very interested in getting copies of all you do.  Are you or anyone else aware of the two versions of Hum Along and Dance...one with sax solo and one without.  I think the single has the sax solo.

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Hi Mike and everyone here:

I am a newbie poster, but not exactly a RE newbie. I tired of waiting about 2 years ago and burned my ONE WOLRD myself.  I also burned my fave Couldn't Believe... from Willie.


I  made the mistake of not checking this forum prior to getting the unauthorized 2 on one OW/Willie from
Ebay, a few months ago. After seeing and hearing the disc

I managed to get half my money back and kept the cd though. and warned the guy... But they're at it still.. I try and warn prospective buyers...my 2 cents....

I think what they did was copy the legit stuff and augment the rest with the subpar vinyl. Both my lp's are strong VG++, neither nmint.

Glad to help in any way I can though.


Seen CRAS's twice, and gave a copy of the Midnight Special performance of Celebrate to Pete a few years ago (he had never seen it himself prior to then),
he sent me a note of thanks and the All Stars release, which had just come out, at that time. Very cool to see such support of the band here !!!

Sincerely,
Steve

bidelmanst@yahoo.com

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Mike
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You gusy are the best. Thank you for being so patient.

I am back to doing more transfers slowly but surely. I'll be including the 2 HUB LP's. Let me express a big thank you to Jocko & UK Dave for their help in the HUB, Generation soundtrack & Dreams/Answers stuff.


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Mike
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By the way folks...

I've located 2 oddities:

1. an alternate version of the Big Brother 45...a different start.
2. an alternate version of the get ready 45 WITHOUT the canned applause.

Why? Because I care :)

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Mike

I suffered a mishap this evening. My main computer has died on me so I've lost your contact details (amongst other things). Can you drop me an email with your name and address again? I presume you still have my email address as it was only yesterday you dropped me a message.

I dread to think how much other important stuff might be lost. Strangely enough I started backing up a few files and folders last night on an external hard drive, including a folder with RE stuff. Pity I didn't think to back up my contacts list. Doh!

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Mike
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Well folks, I'm done up through Midnight Lady. That leaves the 1977 Rarearth LP, Band Together, Grand Slam and that should be it. Once done with those, I'll be working on the HUB LP's and Generation. After that...that just leaves Tight & Hot and Live in Chicago. Keep your fingers crossed for those last 2. For anyone here who hasn't heard them, once I send all of this out...I'll could toss in the 1980 & 1985 Harpos shows.

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 Thanks for the update, Mike.

 Actually, I am extremely excited about this.  I have not heard many of the post "Ma" releases.  I have the first "Hub" LP, but zero Rare Earth lp's--and have never heard any of the songs after "Ma".  This is embarrassing to say, but it is the truth.

On top of this, I am a huge fan of different mixes ( the "B" side singles) and to hear "Get Ready" w/o the audience would be a rare experience.

  I hope everyone is as grateful to you for doing this as I am.

 Best regards,
 Steve

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HELLO STEVE...
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW AND OTHERS AS WELL THAT THE DREAMS/ANSWERS LP EVEN HAS A DIFFERENT VERSION OF GET READY!!! FYI.....
TAKE CARE....
MARK Mbiggrin

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MARK M
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HELLO MIKE.....
I HAVE THE TWO HUB PROJECTS STILL SEALED...WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN BORROWING THESE LP'S TO GET A BETTER PLAY BACK??
PLEASE RESPOND AND I WILL SHOOT YOU MY E-MAIL....
THANKS.........
MARK Mbiggrin87

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Steve Barber
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 Thanks for this great news, Mark! 

  I always look forward to hearing news about different versions of these tunes, obviously, and the more news told about what is out there, the more anxious I get about hearing these LP's and tracks I haven't had the pleasure of hearing. 

 I know from reading the posts that Mike is definitely taking on a long, hard  difficult task in doing this, and Mike, you have the patience of Job!  I couldnt take on such a task myself, and my one of my nicknames is "Audiophile"!  

I have transferred many of my Christmas albums ( anyone remember when "Goodyear" used to put an album out each year, back in the 60's and early 70's?) onto CD, and that took a lot of work.  

  My hat is off to you, sir!  This is a dream come true!

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MARK M wrote:

HELLO MIKE.....
I HAVE THE TWO HUB PROJECTS STILL SEALED...WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN BORROWING THESE LP'S TO GET A BETTER PLAY BACK??
PLEASE RESPOND AND I WILL SHOOT YOU MY E-MAIL....
THANKS.........
MARK Mbiggrin87



Mark M.,

If you're willing to send the LP's that'd be great. Mind you, are you sure you want me opening these Lp's for the first time? :)





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MARK M
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MIKE........

WELL...I LIKE WHAT YOU ARE DOING.....A GREAT SERVICE TO US FANS...
IF IT MEANS TO OPEN UP SEALED ALBUMS THEN SO BE IT.....I FEEL WE ARE ALL FRIENDS HERE AND I FEEL IN GREAT HONESTY THAT YOU ARE AN HONEST PERSON OR NEVER WOULD HAVE OFFERED........HERE IS MY E-MAIL ADDRESS.....ksmcclure@netzero.com....
I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE......wink
MARK Mbiggrin


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Mike
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Almost there folks!

I have Grand Slam and 2 HUB LP's to work on :)


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Mike

Which of the albums have you found to be the worst to deal with in terms of audio quality

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John wrote:

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Which of the albums have you found to be the worst to deal with in terms of audio quality




Hi John,

MA is theone album that gave me issues. I have 2 copies. One of them has crackle throughout. The 2nd one has a lot of surface noise. This one is on hold right now. I passed it over and I'll come back to it last. The best sounding ones have been:


Willie Remembers
Back To Earth
Rarearth (77 LP)

I am still holding a candle out for Live In Chicago and Tight & Hot.

IF ANYONE HERE HAS A COPY OF EITHER, PLEASE SHARE IT AND LET ME WORK ON THE AUDIO smile



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Oh,

The HUB LP's (thanks to Dave Williams and Mark M.) sound great too. Those are very good albums.

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Mike
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The project is on hold indefinitely...early 2008.

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Mike
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Great news...I've located a very CLEAR copy of the 45 mix of "Magic Key".

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Nice one Mike

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Steve Barber
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  Thanks for the update, Mike.  I'm glad you have found a clear copy of the 45 mix  of "Magic Key" as I prefer this to the LP version, due to the additonal voices, even though, unfortunately, it isn't as ''clear'' as the LP version.

  Incidentally, something I have  forgotten to mention in my postings,  regarding interesting differences in Rare Earth albums concerns the album jackets of the Get Ready and Ecology albums. 

 Have any of you ever seen the different verson of "Get Ready" where they list the guys names on the back of the album jacket?  If I am not mistaken, I also seem to remember the text being a little different.

 On the Ecology album, there are two different name listings of the band, one of them contains a typo where Pete's name is concerned, referring to him as "Pete R-i-v-e-r-i-a".  I remember as a kid seeing a differnt album jacket, with different font on the back of the album jacket, and Pete's name was spelled correctly, as "Rivera".  

  Just wondered if any of you remember this?

  Steve

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Mike
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Well, here's what it's looking like.

*If I left anything out, let me know.

Rare Earth project:

 

  1. Get Ready   albumplus bonus tracks:

a. Get Ready 45 edit

b. Get Ready 45 without applause, remix?

c. 45 mix (mono) of Magic Key

 

  1. Generation soundtrack

 

      * Note: several songs ended up on Ecology except for: Child of Fortune/One World, When Joanie Smiles & The Feeling

 
  1. Ecology albumplus bonus tracks:
  1. (I Know) Im Losing You (45 edit/mix)
  2. When Joanie Smiles (b-side to Losing You)
  3. Born To Wander (45 mix)
  4. Here Comes The Night (b-side to Born To Wander)

 

  1. One World album plus bonus tracks:

a.        I Just Want To Celebrate (45 mix)

b.        Hey Big Brother (45)

c.        Hey Big Brother (alternate version ON 45a different intro and edited)

 

  1. In Concert album plus bonus track:
  1. What Id say (45 edit)

 

  1. Willie Remembers album plus bonus track:

a.        Love Shines Down (b-side)

 

  1. Ma album plus bonus tracks

a.       Ma (45 edit/mix)

b.      Him Along And Dance (45 mix/edit)

c.       Chained

d.      Fresh From The Can (b-side to Chained)

e.       Fun House (outtake from 1974)

 

  1. Back To Earth album plus bonus tracks:
  1. It Makes You Happy (45 edit)
  2. Keepin Me Out Of The Storm (45 edit)
  3.  B What R Ya (outtake)
  4. What You Gonna Do If I Give It To You (outtake)

 

  1. Midnight Lady album plus bonus track:
  1. Midnight Lady (45 mix)

 

10.  Rarearth album plus bonus track:

a. Is Your Teacher Cool (45 edit)

 

  1. Band Together album plus bonus tracks:
  1. Warm Ride (45 edit)
  2. Warm Ride (extended version)

 

  1. Grand Slam albumno bonus tracks!

 

Still searching for Live In Chicago and Tight and Hot.



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 Hi Mike,

    Now that you have posted this update, my anxiety level has reached an all time high!  I am so anxious for this project to be completed, I can hardly contain myself.

 This has to be an enormously expensive task on your part, and, I can only say that this is one of the most generous, unselfish and kind things I have ever seen a person do, in my lifetime. 

I am so looking forward to this, whenever it is completed.   You should receive an award for this.

  Best regards,

  Steve

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 Mike,

 My apologies.  I forgot to type in my name whenI posted this:

Hi Mike,

Now that you have posted this update, my anxiety level has reached an all time high! I am so anxious for this project to be completed, I can hardly contain myself.

This has to be an enormously expensive task on your part, and, I can only say that this is one of the most generous, unselfish and kind things I have ever seen a person do, in my lifetime.

I am so looking forward to this, whenever it is completed. You should receive an award for this.

Best regards,

Steve



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Steve Barber wrote:


 Mike,

 My apologies.  I forgot to type in my name whenI posted this:

Hi Mike,

Now that you have posted this update, my anxiety level has reached an all time high! I am so anxious for this project to be completed, I can hardly contain myself.

This has to be an enormously expensive task on your part, and, I can only say that this is one of the most generous, unselfish and kind things I have ever seen a person do, in my lifetime.

I am so looking forward to this, whenever it is completed. You should receive an award for this.

Best regards,

Steve



Thanks Steve,

I appreciate the kind words. Easy now, don't get too excited biggrin
It really hasn't been expensive in a monetary sense. Timewise, yes. But it's been rewarding in many ways, especially in the sharing of this. And I haven't heard a LOT of this since the mid 90's before college. So, the reminscing has been nice too.

I hope to have this completed by the end of February. I have found soem things that need fixing audio-wise. I simply can't take full credit for this. Rich & John deserve credit for this site, which was a big inspiration. Additional kudos to UKDave, Jocko (where the hell are you! smile ), Mark M. and Ray Monette for their kindness and generosity in assisting with locating sources for this music. And thanks to anyone I have left out.

For all of ya...here's an updated list. See if you can spot what's different biggrin idea

Rare Earth project:

 

  1. Get Ready   albumplus bonus tracks:

a. Get Ready 45 edit

b. Get Ready 45 edit without applause

c. 45 mix of Magic Key

 

  1. Generation soundtrack

 

      * Note: several songs ended up on Ecology except for: Child of Fortune/One World, When Joanie Smiles & The Feeling

 
  1. Ecology albumplus bonus tracks:
  1. (I Know) Im Losing You (45 edit/mix)
  2. When Joanie Smiles (b-side to Losing You)
  3. Born To Wander (45 mix)
  4. Here Comes The Night (b-side to Born To Wander)

 

  1. One World album plus bonus tracks:

a.        I Just Want To Celebrate (45 mix)

b.        Hey Big Brother (45)

c.        Hey Big Brother (alternate versiona different intro and edited)

 

  1. In Concert album plus bonus track:
  1. What Id say (45 edit)

 

  1. Willie Remembers album plus bonus track:

a.        Love Shines Down (b-side)

 

  1. Ma album plus bonus tracks

a.       Ma (45 edit/mix)

b.      Him Along And Dance (45 mix/edit)

c.       Chained

d.      Fresh From The Can (b-side to Chained)

e.       Fun House (outtake from 1974)

 

  1. Back To Earth album plus bonus tracks:
  1. It Makes You Happy (45 edit)
  2. Keepin Me Out Of The Storm (45 edit)
  3.  B What R Ya (outtake)
  4. What You Gonna Do If I Give It To You (outtake)

 

  1. Midnight Lady album plus bonus track:
  1. Midnight Lady (45 mix)

 

10.  Rarearth album plus bonus track:

a. Is Your Teacher Cool (45 edit)

 

  1. Band Together album plus bonus tracks:
  1. Warm Ride (45 edit)
  2. Warm Ride (extended version)

 

  1. Grand Slam albumno bonus tracks!
  2. Tight And Hot albumno bonus tracks!



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Mike oh Mike

I'm hyper ventilating here. I think I spotted the difference and I'm in total shock!!!

Please tell me my eyes don't deceive me!!!!

As for giving me a bit of credit for your project...no way. My part was insignificant!

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Hi Mike,

Thank you for all of your work on this project.  How will you go about making these discs available for everyone who is interested?

Stuart

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These will be bootlegs no matter what good intentions fans may have for them.  Everyone involved will be liable for action regarding any such attempts to sell or distribute any said items as these recording belong to Universal.  Beware!

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Martin Tomlinson wrote:

These will be bootlegs no matter what good intentions fans may have for them.  Everyone involved will be liable for action regarding any such attempts to sell or distribute any said items as these recording belong to Universal.  Beware!



WELL...I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MIKE ATTEMPTING TO SELL ANYTHING!!
IF HE DID THAT WOULD CAUSE MORE OF A PROBLEM....UNIVERSAL IS NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR THE FANS...SO I GUESS IF I AND EVERY BODY ELSE THAT COPIES OR BURNS SOMETHING WITHOUT SELLING IT IS BREAKING THE LAW??? I GUESS I AM GUILTY TOO... THANKS FOR THE WARNING..
WE THE FANS WILL TAKE OUR CHANCES...
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Quite frankly Martin I think the bootlegs that are being sold openly on ebay should be yours and universals concern.  They are being pressed by the thousand and the fans are being ripped off not knowing what they are. 

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Martin Tomlinson wrote:

These will be bootlegs no matter what good intentions fans may have for them.  Everyone involved will be liable for action regarding any such attempts to sell or distribute any said items as these recording belong to Universal.  Beware!



Here's how I see it :)

A bootleg, by definition, is "an audio and/or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist". All of these recordings were officially released on vinyl and/or cd...except for "The Feeling" from the generations soudntrack. The rest of the soundtrack came out on Ecology, a b-side and a compilation. However, "The Feeling" did make it to promo/test pressings so it was still officially released but in a very limited manner. So, these are not bootlegs. I'm not trying to make money offof this either.

This is is not the first time vinyl has been transferred by a fan and shared amongst many fans. For example: The Beatles. There is a series of Beatles needledrops done that contain stuff that was released officially on vinyl but has never made it to cd...e.g. original stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul, mono mix of Revolver, mono mix of Sgt. Pepper, mono mix of The White album as well as vinyl transfers of the rest of the catalog that are above and beyond the cd's that came out in 1987. I've heard them and they are superb.

I, for one, have no qualms. I am not robbing anyone of anything. After all, none of this stuff is in print to my knowledge. So, if it can't be bought in stores how am I robbing the company of anything. If they wish to make money, they should release this stuff. The only people these recordings would be distributed amongst would be those at this forum and it's a small, close-knit group. That's not widespread at all. And I'm not selling so I'm not doing anything wrong in my opinion.

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Mike wrote:

Martin Tomlinson wrote:

These will be bootlegs no matter what good intentions fans may have for them.  Everyone involved will be liable for action regarding any such attempts to sell or distribute any said items as these recording belong to Universal.  Beware!



Here's how I see it :)

A bootleg, by definition, is "an audio and/or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist". All of these recordings were officially released on vinyl and/or cd...except for "The Feeling" from the generations soudntrack. The rest of the soundtrack came out on Ecology, a b-side and a compilation. However, "The Feeling" did make it to promo/test pressings so it was still officially released but in a very limited manner. So, these are not bootlegs. I'm not trying to make money offof this either.

This is is not the first time vinyl has been transferred by a fan and shared amongst many fans. For example: The Beatles. There is a series of Beatles needledrops done that contain stuff that was released officially on vinyl but has never made it to cd...e.g. original stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul, mono mix of Revolver, mono mix of Sgt. Pepper, mono mix of The White album as well as vinyl transfers of the rest of the catalog that are above and beyond the cd's that came out in 1987. I've heard them and they are superb.

I, for one, have no qualms. I am not robbing anyone of anything. After all, none of this stuff is in print to my knowledge. So, if it can't be bought in stores how am I robbing the company of anything. If they wish to make money, they should release this stuff. The only people these recordings would be distributed amongst would be those at this forum and it's a small, close-knit group. That's not widespread at all. And I'm not selling so I'm not doing anything wrong in my opinion.

I THINK I AM SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF US IN THIS GROUP....WE BELIEVE YOU ARE DOING NOTHING WRONG IN OUR OPINION....

MARK Mbiggrin



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Tight and hot available?

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Rich wrote:

Tight and hot available?



It will be available Rich :)

This leaves just piece of the puzzle to be found...Live In Chicago. If Tight & Hot can be found...anything is possible. smile



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How was tight and hot found?I gave up 25 years ago,even looked 4 it in toronto.Though.....i wish grand slam was never released,terrible album.

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A bit harsh Rich?. Admittedly it's nowhere near the top of my list of favourite RE albums and almost a clone of Band Together, having come out of the same sessions. I think it reflected the music that was around at that time. 

I still think there's a number of songs on there that are worthwhile including a nice cover of "I Wish It Would Rain". I'd say non-descript rather than terrible, but then again, maybe that is being harsh too??


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Rich wrote:

How was tight and hot found?I gave up 25 years ago,even looked 4 it in toronto.Though.....i wish grand slam was never released,terrible album.



Hi Rich,

How was Tight And Hot found? All credit goes to none other than Ray Monette. Ray went above and beyond the call of duty to look for this, in my opinion. thumbsup.gif

Grand Slam has grown on me, I'll admit. I Can Feel My Love Rising, My Eyes Only, I Heard It Through The Grapevine and I Wish It Would Rain (great piano work from Mark and a really soulful lead from Pete...you can tell Pete was inspired by The Temptations) are my faves from the album. If only Grand Slam and Band Together had contained more original material. The musicianship is top notch as always. For me it's the production (too slick/polished) and too many covers that take it down a notch or two.



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so mike...do tell...how is tight and hot?  I'm sure everyone is dying to know!

how did ray assist you...did he have a copy himself?

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Well, in all honesty I myself don't have a copy just yet. In due time of course. I am curious to hear "King Of The Mountain"...from Pete's book it was the demo of this song that got them a contract with RCA.

As it turns out, Ray has a copy. Big thank you to Ray for this one. I hope he doesn't mind me giving him credit.

I'd never HEARD of this album until I read Pete's book in 2002. Even then, I didn't know much about it other than what happened with Dino Fekaris. Before that, I had read in 1994 about the album in the liner notes to the "Earth Tones" cd. But that's it :)  


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We all have different opinions of Rare Earth albums so each to their own.  For me the stronger material from the John Ryan sessions ended up on the Band Together Lp which for me is a good one.  At the time of Grand Slam I had no idea these recordings were from the same session, the album didnot appeal as much but had a sound very much of its time.  I think John Ryans production is fine, this is a producer that had worked on the early STYX albums and later Climax Blues Band recordings which included certain Rare Earth members.

What do we know of Tight And Hot, well I have the single HOWZ ABOUT SOME LOVE and it is not anywhere as good as the tracks from Grand Slam. that of course is my personal opinion.  The LP itself does exist. in fact in the early days of this forum it was given a review by a Rare Earth fan who owns it, he rated King Of The Mountain as one of his favourite EARTH tracks ever.  THis backs up really what Pete Rivera says in his book! 

TIGHT AND HOT
do what you did.....howz about some love.....skin to skin.....champion of love.....break out the jazz.....ah sexy baby.....let me take you out.....king of the mountain.

The original forum was infected with a virus by some very nice person which wiped all the early messages including that particular gem. we restarted the website and forum and we have what we have!  I did ask the guy if he may be interested in swapping a copy for something equally as rare but alas he was not interested.  I assume he must have had a copy of the "GENERATION"  album because even that offer did not do the trick lol!  Still at the end of the day record collections are prized possessions and I respect and understand his choice not to share.

No one should critisise Mike because I doubt many others would get hold of a rare item and be prepared to share the goods! 

Last offer to ANYONE with Live In Chicago.............a copy of Generation can be swapped.  Contact vinyl@rareearthworld.co.uk

I will wet your appetite with the thought that even when all these items are found.........the vaults at Motown contain an incredible amount of un issued material.  We even know what cupboard they are in lol! biggrin


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Yes, if you come across Live In Chicago...please let me know too. It's the missing piece of the puzzle. John, I think I'll be contacting you regarding Generation. I have a question.

Well, if we know what cupboard they are in...let's go..."cue'ing up the Mission Impossible theme"...biggrin


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I forgot to add the 2 HUB LP's to the project list. 2 very underrated albums.

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Re We even know what cupboard they are in

Its the one with 30 years of dust on top of it and a note on the front stating "Do not open until Christmas....................................................2050"


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You can't miss it as it's the biggest cupboard in the entire vaults, it's a wonder the floor hasn't given way due to the weight of the contents lol.

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As far as I'm concerened you folks should transfer all the Rare Earth songs you want to CD's and have a good time with them. Life is short, have some fun. I'm just flattered that you would go to the trouble. I want you all to be happy with the Rare Earth songs. That's why we played them......Peter

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That's exactly why I am transferring them Peter. smile To be able to enjoy the music...and to share with fans too. It's been a lot of fun doing this. A lot of this stuff I haven't heard in ages...especially the 45 mix of "Magic Key".

And there have been people here kind enough to assist me with sources for some of the music such as the 2 HUB LP's, the Generation soundtrack, Dreams/Answers and Tight & Hot. Now if my source could come through with a test pressing of "Live In Chicago"...fingers crossed. Once done, you're welcome to copies of the entire set Peter.


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With all that's been said here I believe one more issue needs to come to light. After all is said and done and the trusted membership of this forum  has received the material Mike has painstakingly transferred to CD for us.
Each and every one of us will be responsible to safeguard this treasure from the true criminals such as Lake Erie Records, etc. God forbid should any of this material fall into the wrong hands. We all now the results of what happened with a poor copy of Willie Remembers and a CD burner.
And one more thing. Having these transfers in our collection's shouldn't be a factor in deciding to purchase any newly released material should Universal ever decide to release it. I know it won't be for me and I hope most of you also feel the same way. Jocko D


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Good point Jocko. I heard one of those Lake Erie cd's and...well, they suck.
My transfers will not be perfect but they're done with a bit of care and heart. They will contain some of the crackle that comes with vinyl. But there'll be no skips and my copies are in good condition. For 2 of my records, I wasn't happy with the sound of them depsite cleaning them. So, I bought extras on e-bay...big improvement :)

If Universal at some point decides to release this stuff on cd...I'll be all over it like white on rice :) I'll still keep my transfers because it represents the time and effort of several forum members...and you know who you are.


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No offence Mike but it seems like the bootleggers will get hold of this material and make money from it.  You are gonna get ripped no matter what you think perhaps you should have kept this more of a secret man. Too much loose talk costs in the end.  Come on Universal get your act together.
I for one wouldnot be telling people about chicago or tight and hot.

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No offense taken Dirk.

The only the bootleggers will get ahold of this is if those I send copies to end up sharing it outside this inner circle. I know that sounds selfish. But things like Tight & Hot and Live In Chicago (if ever found) can NOT be leaked outside this forum. I've no probem sharing with fellow fans here  smile




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Most of the inner circle are true die-hard's and no names have to be mentioned to know who these people are. After frequenting this forum for a number of years I can safely say I know who is posting from the heart and I'm sure Mike does too.  
For someone such as myself Mike's thoughtfulness has given me something to truly look forward to after so many years of disappointment. If Universal had any respect for the band or it's fan base they would have released this material years ago.
As the old saying goes "you can't get blood from a stone". I feel we are truly blessed as Mike is providing a "band aid" for our open wounds which have been bleeding for far too much time. Jocko D


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Thanks Jocko,

I think it's safe to say we're all on the level and fans from the heart. In addition, it can't get much better than having 3 members/former members of this great band who come here from time to time and post. I think we're blessed smile

For some reason I had the idea to transfer my RE vinyl to cd last March. Then in April I found this site...After seeing there were/are soem serious RE fans here I thought to myself "What if I were to...how would it be received..."idea
Well...all I can say is that I am more than happy to share this stuff with all you fo you. And I've been blessed with assistance and sharing from others here as well. Indeed, it is a "band aid".

A small update about my transfers...I was listening to "Willie" last night and I discovered an issue with the vinyl...turns out there was a slight wobbly sound. I went back to the vinyl itself...turns out there's slight warpage. I'll have to track down via-ebay a better copy. If I were able to find a SEALED copy, I'd be on easy street. But if I can locate a VG++ or even a NM copy, that'll do. Now, some of you may not notice this slight woobly sound. It's not striking but it is there. And that's just not acceptable for me. Yes, I am a perfectionist, I know. So, back to the drawing board for Willie.


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Mike, I have at least two copies of WR. I replaced my entire Rare Earth LP Collection in the 1980's. I usually played the new LP's only once while transferring the material to cassette tape. I believe I should have a decent copy of WR for you. Forget about eBay for now. I'll e-mail you later today. Jocko D 


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Update:

I snagged a sealed promo copy of "Matrix" (w/Tom Baird) for $2.00 and this will also be included. In my opinion, Tom Baird was to Rare Earth what George Martin was to The Beatles. 

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Here's how I see it :)

A bootleg, by definition, is "an audio and/or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist". All of these recordings were officially released on vinyl and/or cd...except for "The Feeling" from the generations soudntrack. The rest of the soundtrack came out on Ecology, a b-side and a compilation. However, "The Feeling" did make it to promo/test pressings so it was still officially released but in a very limited manner. So, these are not bootlegs. I'm not trying to make money offof this either.

This is is not the first time vinyl has been transferred by a fan and shared amongst many fans. For example: The Beatles. There is a series of Beatles needledrops done that contain stuff that was released officially on vinyl but has never made it to cd...e.g. original stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul, mono mix of Revolver, mono mix of Sgt. Pepper, mono mix of The White album as well as vinyl transfers of the rest of the catalog that are above and beyond the cd's that came out in 1987. I've heard them and they are superb.

I, for one, have no qualms. I am not robbing anyone of anything. After all, none of this stuff is in print to my knowledge. So, if it can't be bought in stores how am I robbing the company of anything. If they wish to make money, they should release this stuff. The only people these recordings would be distributed amongst would be those at this forum and it's a small, close-knit group. That's not widespread at all. And I'm not selling so I'm not doing anything wrong in my opinion.


Not to beat a dead horse, nor to disagree with the spirit of your intentions, nor to criticize your well-meaning plan which I would just love to have the results of, I just want to clarify the copyright law, which is very clear and direct:
If you own an original recording which you obtained in a legal manner, such as buying it in a record store or inheriting it from your great aunt, you have the right to make as many copies of it as your heart desires. You can copy it on cassette for your automobile or onto your computer for your iPod and you can make endless copies on CD, or all of the above. The law has no restrictions on the number of copies you can make. That is, when they are for your own use. The minute you give or sell even one of those copies to another person, you are in blatant violation of international copyright law and subject to whatever extent of prosecution the copyright owner(s) wish to pursue. It's as simple as that.

Many people today are under the impression that if something is out of print and therefore not available to be purchased commercially, it is then permissible to copy the originals and distribute them, since no one is being cheated out of royalties when the product isn't available to be legally purchased. While it is absolutely true that no one is being cheated out of royalties in that case, the copyright law makes no exceptions just because the product is out of print. The same laws apply, and distributing copies of out of print material is just as illegal as in-print material. You can always sell your original - you've paid for it already and you are the owner. But copies - nope. That's why they call it  "copyright".

Whether you are "doing anything wrong" is a matter of question, and I'd personally lean toward your view that you're not. What's not a matter of question is that, if you follow your plan as described, you are doing something illegal.



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With all due respect, I understand copyright laws. Please tell me something I don't know, ok? We've been down this road before with some other person. Maybe it was you. I'm sharing it, so I do not care. I'll take my chances. I highly doubt there's a great demand for Rare Earth stuff. It's not like it's some Beatles stuff that's been found and bootlegged. 

I'm just not in the mood to let someone rain on the parade after all of the work I've put into this!

Onward! 

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Here's another thing...if copyright is soooo important in something as miniscule as my project, where were record companies when we all had vinyl and recorded them onto cassette to play in our cars all those years ago?

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Anonymous wrote:

Here's how I see it :)

A bootleg, by definition, is "an audio and/or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist". All of these recordings were officially released on vinyl and/or cd...except for "The Feeling" from the generations soudntrack. The rest of the soundtrack came out on Ecology, a b-side and a compilation. However, "The Feeling" did make it to promo/test pressings so it was still officially released but in a very limited manner. So, these are not bootlegs. I'm not trying to make money offof this either.

This is is not the first time vinyl has been transferred by a fan and shared amongst many fans. For example: The Beatles. There is a series of Beatles needledrops done that contain stuff that was released officially on vinyl but has never made it to cd...e.g. original stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul, mono mix of Revolver, mono mix of Sgt. Pepper, mono mix of The White album as well as vinyl transfers of the rest of the catalog that are above and beyond the cd's that came out in 1987. I've heard them and they are superb.

I, for one, have no qualms. I am not robbing anyone of anything. After all, none of this stuff is in print to my knowledge. So, if it can't be bought in stores how am I robbing the company of anything. If they wish to make money, they should release this stuff. The only people these recordings would be distributed amongst would be those at this forum and it's a small, close-knit group. That's not widespread at all. And I'm not selling so I'm not doing anything wrong in my opinion.


Not to beat a dead horse, nor to disagree with the spirit of your intentions, nor to criticize your well-meaning plan which I would just love to have the results of, I just want to clarify the copyright law, which is very clear and direct:
If you own an original recording which you obtained in a legal manner, such as buying it in a record store or inheriting it from your great aunt, you have the right to make as many copies of it as your heart desires. You can copy it on cassette for your automobile or onto your computer for your iPod and you can make endless copies on CD, or all of the above. The law has no restrictions on the number of copies you can make. That is, when they are for your own use. The minute you give or sell even one of those copies to another person, you are in blatant violation of international copyright law and subject to whatever extent of prosecution the copyright owner(s) wish to pursue. It's as simple as that.

Many people today are under the impression that if something is out of print and therefore not available to be purchased commercially, it is then permissible to copy the originals and distribute them, since no one is being cheated out of royalties when the product isn't available to be legally purchased. While it is absolutely true that no one is being cheated out of royalties in that case, the copyright law makes no exceptions just because the product is out of print. The same laws apply, and distributing copies of out of print material is just as illegal as in-print material. You can always sell your original - you've paid for it already and you are the owner. But copies - nope. That's why they call it  "copyright".

Whether you are "doing anything wrong" is a matter of question, and I'd personally lean toward your view that you're not. What's not a matter of question is that, if you follow your plan as described, you are doing something illegal.



IF YOU ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS WHY DON'T YOU POST YOUR NAME...SOUNDS TO ME THAT YOU ARE A BIT JEALOUS THAT SOME ONE ACTUALLY CARES...MIKE IS NOT SELLING THIS PROJECT....IF HE IS THEN IT BECOMES ILLEGAL...TILL THEN...LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!
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Right on Mark M.,

What about those unauthorized recordings people get during live concerts on their cell phones and more advanced video cameras? Check out
www.youtube.com . They don't get permission from the artist, and yet they post those recordings on sites like youtube, or perhaps they go to an online auction site and attempt to profit from there ill gotten recording?

-Chicago T
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MARK M wrote:

MIKE IS NOT SELLING THIS PROJECT....IF HE IS THEN IT BECOMES ILLEGAL...TILL THEN...LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!
MARK M



The post about copyrights is actually correct. I'm a writer and I know what the laws are. Unauthorized distribution of copies of a copyrighted work, whether for money or for free, is the most basic violation of copyright law.

And Chicago Tommy, your "ill gotten gains" comment says it all. I personally have never been to a concert where it isn't announced or posted or both that recording devices are strictly prohibited. That is against the law due to the possibility of selling the recording of an artist's performance, a performance which doesn't belong to you.

The reason very few music copyright cases are prosecuted is that there are just so many violations. A few years back, the RIAA tried to make an example of someone who was downloading around 700 MP3s a day and they did successfully prosecute him. Bootleggers are of course more aggressively pursued. But the proliferation of copyright violations is the reason that the absolute death of the record business is projected within five years. Think I'm exaggerating or kidding? Pick up a copy of any music industry journal and read the scary truth.

I don't personally hold Mike responsible for the looming death of the record business! aww  I think what he is doing is a great service for us rabid Rare Earth fans, and he wouldn't need to be doing it if Motown had taken the time and care to properly release Rare Earth's catalog. I don't think what he is doing is immoral, since he's certainly not taking money away from Motown and their writers and artists. But if you are a Rare Earth fan it is also very likely that you are a full-grown adult, and an adult should at least be able to call a spade a spade: Mike's making these cool copies is perfectly all right. But if he distributes them, free or not, it is a violation of copyright law.

Mike, to address you directly, I'm just confirming that the copyright post is correct. But I think what you are doing is generous and exciting! And I seriously doubt you'll hear from Universal over this (comparatively) tiny project. They have much bigger fish to fry!

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I wish Anonymous would identify himself. Technically he is correct but I can't see anyone profiteering out of this, so why create a fuss? Lets face facts, I have bought every Rare Earth vinyl album, every compilation, a handful of vinyl singles, a cassette tape and everything that's been made available on CD. I've already paid money for these legitimate releases and royalties have been paid. That goes for most people on this forum. Ok, it might not stand up in court but it makes me sleep easier :)

 



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 What about back in the 60's , 70's when FM stations used to play an entire, newly released album by an artist, and, people used to tape them onto their reel to reel or cassette tape decks? I couldnt tell you how many times a friend would "make a copy" and give it to his friends.  Were FM stations held accountable for doing this?  To me, that--and this that Mike is doing-- is no different than that!

   Someone, somewhere, always has to find something to complain about, when it comes to someone making a kind gesture, such as, Mike's endeavor.  This is a small group of people who come here to talk about Rare Earth.  This isn't a gigantic "fan club" where millions of people flock to each day. A man is taking it upon himself to share recordings that he has, among those few of us  who come here to talk about this band. He isn't distributing them to the entire world. BIG difference!

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I would like to ask "Anonymous" if he/she spends any time on the case of the REAL bootleggers Lake Eerie Records?, this outfit press up Rare Earth cd's in the thousands and they are openly on sale via Amazon and Ebay and  no doubt countless other online outlets...This is where Anonymous should be directing his/her efforts.

Dave you are so right we have all paid for these recordings time and time again down the years, and all Mike is doing with his project is letting all of us on this forum enjoy the recordings of our favourite band in the best possible quality.... something Universal will not let us do as they won't put out the bands Motown catalogue.

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Mike wrote:

Here's another thing...if copyright is soooo important in something as miniscule as my project, where were record companies when we all had vinyl and recorded them onto cassette to play in our cars all those years ago?



As I wrote, "You can copy it on cassette for your automobile or onto your computer for your iPod and you can make endless copies on CD, or all of the above. The law has no restrictions on the number of copies you can make. That is, when they are for your own use. The minute you give or sell even one of those copies to another person, you are in blatant violation of international copyright law and subject to whatever extent of prosecution the copyright owner(s) wish to pursue. It's as simple as that."

Not only did I answer your question, but I exactly answered your question, before you even asked it. Maybe if you had actually read my post...

Even though I choose to remain anonymous, my goal is not to threaten you but simply to inform you that your plan to distribute these copies is illegal. I am personally not in a position to take action on it, nor am I a whistleblower. My only satisfaction would come if you at least acknowledged that, should you distribute these copies, you are in violation of Federal Copyright Law and, if these copies cross the borders or the ocean, International Copyright Law. Even if you only acknowledged it to yourself.

The pretzel logic and self-righteousness people create when they are trying to justify breaking the law is much more sad than it is interesting.




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Anonymous, I ask you once again, are you contacting Amazon and Ebay regarding the Lake Eerie  Rare Earth bootlegs that they are openly onsale?.
Please reply.

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Regarding your comment "My only satisfaction would come if you at least acknowledged that......etc etc"

Mike already has clearly said (quote) "With all due respect, I understand copyright laws. Please tell me something I don't know, ok?" He even added "I'll take my chances". So what more are you looking for? It seems you are equally guilty of not reading MIKE's post whilst having a go at him for not reading yours.

For crying out loud, nobody is trying to rip anyone off here. Nobody is going to be making any money. Yes, technically it might be questionable from a copyright point of view but your knowledge of the law could I'm sure be better put to use elsewhere.

Now if Mike were to distribute Brand New World I'd definitely jump onto your side of the fence, but its not gonna happen!!!

You achieved your so called "Goal" of informing Mike that his planned distribution is illegal. Perhaps you will now rest your case, especially as Mike hasn't put his "plan" into action yet, therefore he's not broken any laws.

If you feel so strongly about this, then why not do something useful like start a campaign to get Universal to re-issue this stuff on CD properly.

As for your reference to "pretzel logic", you'd better watch out for that Becker and Fagan writ that's winging it's way through the post to you as I write

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Anonymous

Regarding your comment "My only satisfaction would come if you at least acknowledged that......etc etc"

Mike already has clearly said (quote) "With all due respect, I understand copyright laws. Please tell me something I don't know, ok?" He even added "I'll take my chances". So what more are you looking for? It seems you are equally guilty of not reading MIKE's post whilst having a go at him for not reading yours.

If Mike understood copyright law, he wouldn't have suggested that copying your own vinyl album onto a cassette for your car was a violation of copyright law.

As for your reference to "pretzel logic", you'd better watch out for that Becker and Fagan writ that's winging it's way through the post to you as I write

That's cute, but if you understood copyright law, you would know that titles are not copyrightable. (Besides, Becker and Fagen did not invent the term "pretzel logic" anyway.) But think of all the songs with duplicate titles that are different songs. There is no copyright problem there because titles are not protected by copyright.

Just to be complete, however, there is ONE case where a songwriter got a title of his song protected by law, but it wasn't a copyright. Don McLean was able to get a registered trademark on "American Pie". It was a landmark court case. So far no one has been able to repeat his achievement.


You achieved your so called "Goal" of informing Mike that his planned distribution is illegal. Perhaps you will now rest your case, especially as Mike hasn't put his "plan" into action yet, therefore he's not broken any laws.

Look, you are clearly a nice bunch of guys, devoted Rare Earth fans (which I am too), and nobody's committing any felonies here. I'm just sick of the namby pamby excuses and falsehoods (usually from ignorance of the actual copyright laws) people use to fool themselves that they aren't in violation of the law when they distribute copies of material protected by copyright. That very much includes MP3s on the Internet. Glenn's comment that the record industry is approaching its end because of the proliferation of these violations is accurate - in a few more years there won't be a record industry. To coin a phrase, get ready.

I rest my case.














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Man, you've really got a bee in your bonnet about all this haven't you? The pretzel logic comment was intended to lighten you up. I think its called humour.

Can we give this subject a rest? Its starting to get very boring and what's more, its stealing attention away from the news of Rare Earth's new release. I've waited a long time for this new CD and right now, I Just Want To Celebrate. At least I now know I can use that phrase without breaking any copyrights!

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If the record biz would just drop the price of CD's, that would help somewhat.  If a new CD were 4.99-6.99 I think a lot more people would buy.  I mean 16-20 bucks, geez!

I found it interesting that Sir Paul just gave away free copies of Memory Almost Full with one of the UK papers.  I think because he is going to tour later in the year, he wants more copies of the CD out there!

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Exactly! Cd's shouldn't be priced any higher than $10 dollars.

Unless it's a limited edition or RARE (no pun intended) cd, I wait a while after the release to find a used/like new copy. Sorry but for what it costs for everything:

1. a cd...less than a can of soda!!!!
2. paper...same...
3. case...same.

That's roughly 2 dollars. Then you have it at 16 dollarson the average? It sells 5 million copies...roughly 80 million in gross. Ok, I know the entire chain of record company people have mouths to feed, stockholders, etcc. Let I forget the artists. But please...you can't spend money when you're dead can you? Why be so ****ing greedy? smile 




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The reason the likes Sir Paul, Ray Davies, Prince and UB40 have recently been giving free copies away with British newspapers of their latest cd's is simply that they were paid hundreds of thousands of pounds for the pleasure.

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2 things the music industry should do:

1.) End the "LOUD" wars. Some "genius" record industry type decided about 10 years ago that all new recordings should be recorded and mastered way too HOT. When they realize how absurd this is I might start paying for music again.

2.) With most music being purchased digitally now, OUT OF PRINT should be an obsolete term. We should all be able to go on itunes and purchase a remastered version of ONE WORLD.

The price of a CD doesn't bother me. In fact I think itunes should raise the price of a single download to at least 1.49

-JP2

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That's THE biggest problem with music!

Stuff nowadays is mastered too hot and is compressed. Older recordings have all of the tape hiss removed. YUCK!

With my project, I've mastered all of the cd's at a level where you can enjoy them. They're not loud or compressed. They can be cracked without causing ear fatigue.






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2 things the music industry should do:

1.) End the "LOUD" wars. Some "genius" record industry type decided about 10 years ago that all new recordings should be recorded and mastered way too HOT. When they realize how absurd this is I might start paying for music again.

-JP2



Exactly John!

Folks, here is THE PERFECT example of "the loudness wars". Renowned mastering engineer Steve Hoffman has agreed with this as well. Remember this:
when there's no quiet, there can be no loud smile

[youtube=http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ]




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http://www.hip-oselect.com/scr.public.product.asp?product_id=8893C217-A6A5-4542-8038-206B777FF75A

Rare Earth
Fill Your Head: The Studio Albums 1969-1974
Price: $59.98

Disc 1
1. Magic Key
2. Tobacco Road
3. Feelin' Alright
4. In Bed
5. Train To Nowhere
6. Get Ready
7. Generation (Light Up The Sky)
8. Get Ready - Single Version
9. (I Know) I'm Losing You - Single Version
10. When Joanie Smiles
11. Here Comes The Night
12. Hey Big Brother
13. Love Shines Down
14. Chained
15. Fresh From The Can
Disc 2
1. Born To Wander
2. Long Time Leavin'
3. (I Know) I'm Losing You
4. Satisfaction Guaranteed
5. Nice Place To Visit
6. No. 1 Man
7. Eleanor Rigby
8. What'd I Say
9. If I Die
10. The Seed
11. I Just Want To Celebrate
12. Someone To Love
13. Any Man Can Be A Fool
14. The Road
15. Under God's Light
Disc 3
1. Good Time Sally
2. Every Now And Then We Get To Go On Down To Miami
3. Think Of The Children
4. Gotta Get Myself Back Home
5. Come With Your Lady
6. Would You Like To Come Along
7. We're Gonna Have A Good Time
8. I Couldn't Believe What Happened Last Night
9. Ma
10. Big John Is My Name
11. Smiling Faces Sometimes
12. Hum Along And Dance
13. Come With Me

Rare Earth was Motowns first successful white rock bandan awesome, rocking, soulful ensemble, whose body of work deserved more than that brief description. Now, for the first time, all of the original core bands five albums, plus all of their non-album singles, are available in Fill Your Head: The Studio Albums 1969-1974. The 3-CD set is newly remastered and the accompanying 32-page booklet features reproductions of the original LP jackets.
The sets title is a nod to the Rare Earth labels original slogan, and the unique outer box pays homage to the label as wella curved top that re-creates the original design of the first five Rare Earth label LPs.
In the mid-sixties, Rare Earth co-founders drummer/lead singer Pete Rivera and saxophonist/flautist Gil Bridges were members of a local Detroit band called the Sunliners, which also included future Rare Earth bassist John Persh and brothers Russ and Ralph Terrana, who later became Motown recording engineers. When Rivera, Bridges and Persh regrouped as Rare Earth and recruited Rod Richards on guitar and Kenny James on keys, their sound really took off. After one album on Verve, the band was signed to Motown in 1969. The Rare Earth label was custom-made for them.
Motown wasnt used to self-contained bands. They only allowed Rare Earth studio time in the middle of the night, so, the band would arrive at Hitsville after their club gigs and set up the room as if it was another gig. The centerpiece of their show was a lengthy cover of the Temptations Get Ready, and thats how the tune was recorded for their albuma 20-minute jam, to which was added live sound effects. When the song broke out of the album, a mono single edit was createda version also available on this setand Rare Earth, Motowns answer to the emerging popularity of album rock, had a monster pop and R&B hit in 1970.
Fill Your Head celebrates the great albums from the original core band, which also included over the course of their five years together percussionist Eddie Guzman, guitarist Ray Monette, keyboardist Mark Olson and bassist Michael Urso. Their second album, Ecology, featured the hit (I Know) Im Losing You, another Tempts cover whose unique single mix is also included here, as well as Born To Wander. One World included one of their signature cuts, I Just Want To Celebrate. Willie Remembers featured original band material, from the pop hit Good Time Sally to the 12-minute I Couldnt Believe What Happened Last Night.
Rare singles on the set include the non-album B-sides When Joanie Smiles, Here Comes The Night, Love Shines Down and Fresh From The Can. Hey Big Brother, the bands Top 20 single not on any album, is here as well. In 1973, Ma, with Norman Whitfield at the helm, was the last album to feature this Rare Earth lineup. Chained, from 1974, was the final single.
Fill Your Head: The Studio Albums 1969-1974 encompasses the energy, musicianship and soul offered by one of the rocking-est bands on Motown. 



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Thanks for that, but there's already a dedicated thread for that 3 cd set. I would also suggest you use a name when you post. That way we know who you are. Mind you, that set isn't complete! :)

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Ok, what the hell :)


My project is all finished. Ray's & Pete's have been posted.

Everyone's will be copied & shipped within the next few weeks.

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aggee
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Hi! I'm trying to find a CD of the album Rare Earth. We had the vinyl (a long time ago) but we lost it, probably in one of the boxes while moving...   Anyone knows where I can find such CD?

Thanks :)
Aggee

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Gee!!! In my last post, I forgot to specify what album I am looking for...  In fact, I'd like to find a CD of the album Rare Earth In Concert...

Anyone knows where I can find it?

Thanks again :)

Aggee

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Anonymous
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Try e-bay, but watch out for bootleg copies.

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Anonymous
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Hi,
Thanks for your answer. I'm new here (as you see). How will I know if it's a bootleg copy ? (and, in short, what is a bootleg copy anyway...?)

Aggee

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The official Motown CD release of IN CONCERT has a blank green circle printed on the front which covers the words "Specialy priced 2-record pack etc" which appeared on the original LP cover.

This official issue does come up for sale on Ebay and several other on line sites.

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HI AGGEE,

WHEN YOU GO TO EBAY BE CAREFUL OF LAKE EERIE RECORDS THEY ARE A BOOTLEG COMPANY AND THEY BOOTLEGGED THE IN CONCERT ALBUM AND IT IS JUNK...SADLY I BECAME ONE OF THOSE VICTIMS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO..STAY AWAY FROM THE 2 FOR ONE DEALS TOO...THEY ARE JUNK AS WELL,THANK HEAVENS I DID'NT FALL FOR THOSE! LOL!

GOOD LUCK!
MARK Mbiggrin

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Aggee, send me an email at:

the_stranger76@yahoo.com and I will hook you up w/a copy.

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BUT WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE NEEDLEDROPS PROJECT???

THOMAS

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Ale ITA
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Hi I'm new here, but I just read about Mike's project and I'm very excited in thinking about having on cd all RE albums & 45s, even 'cause it's quite imposible to find some RE cd and, here in Italy, even Lps are a hard search..
I'd help you in any way, but unfortunately I don't have so many 33s & 45s (I'm only 18 and so I'm at the beginning of my music collection) so that I thing it'd be worthless.
Anyway, if you get to something I'd like to have a copy of your cds, so please tell me what to do to have 'em. Thank you so much!


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Hey this is great news that we will all get copies, not many sites offer this  facility.  Perhaps the guys who did the 2 on 1s could do a batch run, that way it would save the trouble.  I read about the copyright guy.........you suck man!

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Not sure who "Steve" is, but, please know that it isn't me--Steve Barber.


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Woa, hold your horses Steve. For the record (ha!) the needledrop project is nothing to do with this site or its administrators.

Also, the copyright guy annoyed me as much as he annoyed everyone else, but in the end I think he had his way because it looks like the project got (needle)dropped.

If you want those first 5 studio albums there's the recent box set called "Fill Your Head", although those who bought it said the mastering is not very good at all.




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